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1. #DID POLICE DEPARTMENTS EVER USE CHARTER ARMS REVOLVERS FULL SIZE#
2. #DID POLICE DEPARTMENTS EVER USE CHARTER ARMS REVOLVERS MAC#

Examples would include Little Bighorn, where Custer's men were armed with single shot trap door rifles and they faced an Indian force armed with repeating rifles. Historically, hamstringing soldiers and/or police officers with guns that force low rates of fire have had DISASTROUS results. My questions are: Do high cap magazines lead officers to spray and pray too much?My thought is that anyone who would spray and pray with a 17 round Glock 17 would do the same with a 6 shot S&W revolver. Read more: Officer James Louis Guelff, San Francisco Police Department, California Officer Guelff had served with the San Francisco Police Department for 10 years. Officers found the suspect was also in possession of a police scanner, gunpowder, fuses, and three vials of pain-killer. Members of the San Francisco Police Department SWAT Team shot and killed the suspect, but not before another officer, a paramedic, and a civilian were wounded by gunfire from the suspect. The suspect was wearing a ballistic helmet, a flack jacket, and carrying hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Officer Guelff emptied his service weapon at the suspect, and was reloading when he was shot again. The man opened fire on Officer Guelff with a semi-automatic rifle as the officer approached the vehicle. The suspect then drove to Pine Street where he double parked the vehicle. The suspect had carjacked a vehicle in Mountain View and drove to San Francisco where he pushed out the car's owner Officer James Guelff succumbed to gunshot wounds sustained the previous day when he was shot by a carjacking suspect. I don't care if you shoot a perfect 300 at the range.you are outgunned from the start.

#DID POLICE DEPARTMENTS EVER USE CHARTER ARMS REVOLVERS MAC#

Think about a gunfight with the peep shooting a Mac 10 or MP5 against your wheel gun. You want to be one step AHEAD not behind. We went from 18 in our wheel gun to 46 in our semi's.Īgain we don't play fair.in this day and age.wheel guns are obsolete.and are NOT an advantage in a gunfight. I rather have left overs than not enough. The point is to have enough rounds to stop the threat. This idea is totally reactive instead of proactive. With a wheel gun.when you're empty you're empty.with a semi.as long as you count.you ALWAYS have one in the chamber when you reload.this making it possible to engage someone who is approaching you with bad things in their mind.Īfter the LA robbery/shootout.we acquired AR's. was reloading when the suspect ran up to him with a fully auto. We went from revolvers to semi autos shortly after SFPD James Guelff was shot and killed.he had emptied his revolver. If you have to discharge your weapon.they ALL must be "make it count". Should more agencies look at the revolver as a duty weapon? I am very confident in my ability to use the revolver and believe that I am capable of defending myself and/or the public should the need arise. Would a revolver give the officers a mental limit where they may concentrate on each individual shot and “Make it count?” I would consider this a rarity) Most of the shootings I have investigated or read about the officer has used less than 6 shots. My questions are: Do high cap magazines lead officers to spray and pray too much?Īre there that many Officer involved shootings were more than 6 shots are sent toward the bad guy and if more than 6 were used was it necessary? (Not to slam my NY brothers but, all too often the media will plaster shootings in New York City were multiple officers will empty there weapons on some poor hapless schmo. If an agency allows the "Free" choice of giving the officer to choice to pick what he/she wants to carry within a certain standard of maker and caliber should the officer be allowed to carry a revolver? I am mostly driving a desk but, I do get out from behind it every now and then to do work in the big scary world. Training, ammo, and liability are all factors in the decision to go with a single weapon. I understand why some agencies use the standard of everyone carries the same gun. For those of you that swear by the 1911, I am on par with you ammo wise unless you have an 8 round mag with 1 in the pipe so I don’t believe capacity should be an issue. I have 8 ready to go with another 16 on my hip. I have been able to qualify with it and can even reload it as fast if not faster than co-workers with a semi-auto thanks to the wonderful invention of moon clips. I am now currently packing the S&W 627 in 2 5/8.

#DID POLICE DEPARTMENTS EVER USE CHARTER ARMS REVOLVERS FULL SIZE#

before I knew better), Springfield 1911A1(wish I still had it), Glock 22 and 27(good guns/no problems other that the full size didn't always work in the compact), and last but not least the full and compact M&P40(still have and still use). Most of my career I have carried a semi-auto: Ruger P94(my bad. All of the replies were for them to get one of many semi-auto pistols available on the market. I have seen many posts about individuals asking for recommendations on duty carry weapons.